Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

04/24/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:40:21 PM Start
01:42:27 PM HB65
01:42:32 PM Presentation: Fiscal Scenarios by the Legislative Finance Division
01:59:34 PM Presentation: Covid Funding and School District Funding by the Department of Education and Early Development
03:28:39 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 65 INCREASE BASE STUDENT ALLOCATION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentations: TELECONFERENCED
- Base Student Allocation Fiscal Scenarios by
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance
Division
- Covid Funding and School District Funding by
Department of Education and Early Development
Invited Testimony:
Dr. Bridget Weiss, Superintendent, Juneau
School District; Scott MacManus, Superintendent,
Alaska Gateway School District; Bill Hill,
Superintendent, Bristol Bay Borough School
District; Andy Ratliff, Chief Financial Officer,
Anchorage School District; Andrew Degraw, Chief
Operations Officer, Fairbanks North Star Borough
School District; and Dr. Randy Trani,
Superintendent, and Katie Gardner, Deputy
Superintendent of Business and Operations, Mat-Su
Borough School District
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 24, 2023                                                                                            
                         1:40 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:40 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Alexei  Painter,  Director,  Legislative  Finance  Division;                                                                    
Lacey Sanders, Deputy  Commissioner, Department of Education                                                                    
and  Early  Development;  Elwin  Blackwell,  School  Finance                                                                    
Manager, Department of Education  and Early Development; Dr.                                                                    
Bridget Weiss, Superintendent,  Juneau School District; Andy                                                                    
Ratliff,   Chief   Financial   Officer,   Anchorage   School                                                                    
District; Representative Andi Story.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 65     INCREASE BASE STUDENT ALLOCATION                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          HB 65 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  BASE STUDENT  ALLOCATION FISCAL  SCENARIOS BY                                                                    
THE LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: COVID  FUNDING AND SCHOOL DISTRICT  FUNDING BY                                                                    
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  reviewed the meeting agenda.  He recognized                                                                    
Representative Andi Story in the audience.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 65                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to education; increasing the base                                                                         
     student allocation; and providing for an effective                                                                         
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: FISCAL  SCENARIOS BY THE  LEGISLATIVE FINANCE                                                                  
DIVISION                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked presenters to cite  any handouts they                                                                    
used throughout the meeting.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
provided   a   PowerPoint    presentation   titled   "Fiscal                                                                    
Scenarios," dated  April 24, 2023  (copy on file).  He began                                                                    
with  fiscal scenarios  on  slide 2.  He  detailed that  the                                                                    
scenarios  all assumed  the spring  revenue forecast  of $73                                                                    
per barrel  of oil in  FY 24  and the budget  transmitted by                                                                    
the  House a  couple of  weeks earlier.  The scenarios  also                                                                    
included  variables  for   three  different  capital  budget                                                                    
levels,  Permanent Fund  Dividend (PFD)  appropriations, and                                                                    
K-12 funding  increases through the  formula or  as one-time                                                                    
grants.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter explained  that all  of the  scenarios included                                                                    
the   potential  revenue   impact   of   the  Subchapter   S                                                                    
(corporation) tax provision included  in Senate Bill 114. He                                                                    
noted the  numbers included in  the presentation  and fiscal                                                                    
note  reflected the  tax on  the  Subchapter S  corporations                                                                    
taking  effect January  1, 2023  retroactively resulting  in                                                                    
$190  million  in the  first  year  and an  ongoing  revenue                                                                    
impact of about  $120 million. He remarked  that bumping the                                                                    
effective  date to  the  following year  would  result in  a                                                                    
number of about $60 million.  He added that because the bill                                                                    
was not before the committee  he could not go into specifics                                                                    
on the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:44:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at "Scenario  1" on slide 3. The scenario                                                                    
had  a  slight  surplus,   $1,500  PFD,  $680  Base  Student                                                                    
Allocation (BSA)  increase (for FY  24 only, which  had been                                                                    
included in  the House budget,  but subsequently  zeroed out                                                                    
due  to the  failure  of the  Constitutional Budget  Reserve                                                                    
(CBR) vote), and  a $400 million capital  budget (the number                                                                    
had  been  used by  the  Senate  Finance Committee  for  its                                                                    
modeling). He stated that the  three items totaled a cost of                                                                    
$1.58  billion.  The  costs  added  onto  the  House  agency                                                                    
operations  statewide  items  resulted   in  a  $56  million                                                                    
surplus   under  the   spring  revenue   forecast.  The   S-                                                                    
corporation  provision  would  bring  the  surplus  to  $246                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson stated  his understanding  that HB
114  reduced corporate  interest  rates  but increased  "the                                                                    
overall with  the S-corp,  so that the  new surplus  was the                                                                    
net of those two things."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  clarified that  Scenario 1  factored in  SB 114                                                                    
[not HB  114]. He explained  that the  bill had a  number of                                                                    
changes to  oil and  gas taxes  and corporate  income taxes.                                                                    
The Scenario 1  [on slide 3] only included  the Subchapter S                                                                    
provision  within  the  bill.   Specifically,  oil  and  gas                                                                    
companies paid a tax on income  over $4 million. He noted it                                                                    
was a fairly narrow tax.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin noted  Mr.  Painter's statement  that                                                                    
the assumptions  were based  on the  spring forecast  at $73                                                                    
per barrel. She  asked what the average per  barrel price of                                                                    
oil had been since the forecast had come out.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter answered that the  price per barrel had recently                                                                    
been around  $80 per barrel,  which would result  in numbers                                                                    
closer  to the  fall  forecast and  would  add another  $665                                                                    
million.  He explained  that  traditionally the  legislature                                                                    
budgeted  to  the  spring forecast  for  the  constitutional                                                                    
requirement  to have  a balanced  budget either  through the                                                                    
CBR  or  another  mechanism.  The $73  per  barrel  was  the                                                                    
official number.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  appreciated the  budget needed  to be                                                                    
built based  on the aforementioned  amount. She asked  if it                                                                    
would potentially  be possible  to find a  way to  achieve a                                                                    
surplus of at least $500 million.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter confirmed that a  target surplus number could be                                                                    
thought of  as based  on the  price of  oil. Another  way to                                                                    
think about  it was  targeting budget  balancing at  a given                                                                    
price. For  example, Scenario  1 balanced  at about  $72 per                                                                    
barrel. He  explained that a person  could determine whether                                                                    
they  wanted to  use the  $72 or  a higher  or lower  budget                                                                    
balancing price.  He advised thinking  about it in  terms of                                                                    
the desired balancing price.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   believed  the   S-corporation  $190                                                                    
million amount was  based on an 18-month  capture versus one                                                                    
year.  She understood  the current  bill was  retroactive to                                                                    
January  1, 2023  and that  on an  annual ongoing  basis the                                                                    
amount   would   be  $120   million.   She   asked  if   her                                                                    
understanding was accurate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter characterized Scenario  2 as the middle scenario                                                                    
shown on  slide 4. The scenario  had a deficit prior  to the                                                                    
Subchapter S provision.  The  scenario included a $2,000 PFD                                                                    
(a total  of about $1.3  billion), a capital budget  of just                                                                    
over  $300 million  (the governor's  amended number),  and a                                                                    
$540  BSA increase  (a  total of  $139  million). The  three                                                                    
items  added  up  to $1,766,900,000,  which  resulted  in  a                                                                    
deficit (at  $73 per barrel  of oil) of about  $130 million.                                                                    
The  $190  million  from the  S-corporation  would  leave  a                                                                    
projected  surplus  of about  $60  million  at the  $73  per                                                                    
barrel mark.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  reviewed Scenario  3 on  slide 5  that included                                                                    
the low scenario for two of  the items and the high scenario                                                                    
for the PFD.  The scenario included the 50/50  PFD as passed                                                                    
by  the House  at  $1.76 billion,  paying  about $2,700  per                                                                    
person.  Scenario 3  also included  a  "bare bones"  capital                                                                    
budget of  $191 million  (the amount  in the  Senate's first                                                                    
version, which  included federal matching funds  and did not                                                                    
leave a  lot for state  priorities) and a $400  BSA increase                                                                    
(a cost of  slightly over $100 million). The  items added up                                                                    
to just  over $2  billion, leaving a  deficit of  about $400                                                                    
million. When including the Subchapter S provision for S-                                                                       
corporations, the deficit would be about $230 million.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson looked at the  PFD amount shown on slide 5.                                                                    
She thought the 50/50 split resulted in a PFD of $2,763.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter clarified  that $1,763  billion  was the  total                                                                    
amount for the  appropriation that would pay a  PFD of about                                                                    
$2,700 per person.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  noted the purpose  of the  presentation was                                                                    
to  be a  brief  warmup entering  the  BSA conversation.  He                                                                    
noted the presentation provided  only several scenarios, but                                                                    
there could  be 100  scenarios of  how to  fund the  BSA. He                                                                    
expounded that  the options included  [but were  not limited                                                                    
to] a lower PFD and not  tapping into savings, a low BSA and                                                                    
a higher  PFD, or a  higher PFD  and BSA while  tapping into                                                                    
savings.  He stated  there were  many  ways to  look at  the                                                                    
issue.  He wanted  the public  to  understand the  difficult                                                                    
decisions ahead.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz referenced  the different scenarios and                                                                    
stated they all understood what  it meant in relationship to                                                                    
more or  less money for  the BSA and  the PFD. He  asked for                                                                    
some additional  comments related to the  capital budget. He                                                                    
asked  what the  figure would  be in  order to  meet capital                                                                    
demand.  He thought  it  would likely  cost  $1 billion.  He                                                                    
asked about  the opportunity cost  of not putting  more into                                                                    
the capital budget.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted  there were so many  other things that                                                                    
could  figure  into  the  equation. He  noted  that  the  S-                                                                    
corporation  [revenue] had  been hypothetically  included as                                                                    
the legislation passed. Additionally,  there were per barrel                                                                    
tax  credits, statewide  sales tax,  budget  cuts, and  many                                                                    
other  things   that  could  be  included.   He  stated  the                                                                    
components  used  could mean  a  smaller  or larger  capital                                                                    
budget. He wanted  to ensure the public  understood the type                                                                    
of questions legislators  were having to ask  as they worked                                                                    
to decide what to do with the BSA.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp referenced  Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                    
sensitivity  tables he  had  previously  discussed with  Mr.                                                                    
Painter. He  surmised that  if oil  prices were  roughly $40                                                                    
per barrel  and there was  no PFD,  the state would  need to                                                                    
spend all of  the money on the  governor's current operating                                                                    
budget. He asked if the assessment was fair.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.    Painter    agreed   that    Representative    Stapp's                                                                    
understanding  was accurate  on an  ongoing basis.  He noted                                                                    
that  theoretically  the  legislature  could opt  to  use  a                                                                    
substantial  portion of  the approximately  $2.4 billion  to                                                                    
$2.5 billion in the CBR.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked if it  would be before adding any                                                                    
additional funding to the BSA formula.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  reiterated his  earlier comments  about the                                                                    
purpose of the presentation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  surmised  that   the  supposition  in  the                                                                    
scenarios was that raising the  BSA meant the PFD would come                                                                    
down and  there would potentially  be a bit of  revenue from                                                                    
the S-corporation  bill if  it was included  in the  mix. He                                                                    
noted  there were  several weeks  left in  session with  the                                                                    
last week  being devoted to  conference committee.  He asked                                                                    
if there were any other sources for the revenue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that no  revenue bills  had made  it                                                                    
through the finance  committee in either body.  He stated it                                                                    
was hard to imagine how quickly  a bill could move, but once                                                                    
the 24-hour rule went into  effect bills could move quickly.                                                                    
There were  some other  tax bills that  had passed  one body                                                                    
such  as  the  motor  fuel  tax  increase.  He  agreed  that                                                                    
something like a  statewide sales tax would  likely not pass                                                                    
in several weeks given the complexity of the bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon agreed completely that  a sales tax would be                                                                    
a heavy lift for  the legislature given everything involved.                                                                    
He  remarked  that  the legislature  was  facing  some  very                                                                    
difficult choices.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  moved  to the  next  presentation  by  the                                                                    
Department  of Education  and Early  Development (DEED).  He                                                                    
stated  there had  been attention  drawn to  whether or  not                                                                    
schools had  COVID funding,  how much  money was  out there,                                                                    
and what  schools could spend it  on. He asked to  hear from                                                                    
DEED regarding  balances. Additionally, the  committee would                                                                    
hear from school  districts on how much of  the funding they                                                                    
believed was available.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: COVID FUNDING AND  SCHOOL DISTRICT FUNDING BY                                                                  
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:59:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACEY SANDERS, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                                    
AND  EARLY DEVELOPMENT,  provided a  PowerPoint presentation                                                                    
titled   "Alaska   Department   of   Education   and   Early                                                                    
Development   (DEED):  COVID   Relief  Funding   and  School                                                                    
District  Fund  Balances," dated  April  24,  2023 (copy  on                                                                    
file). The  presentation included  a high level  overview of                                                                    
federal COVID-19  funding awarded  to DEED  and a  review of                                                                    
the school district  fund balances as of June  30, 2022. She                                                                    
began  on slide  3 titled  "Federal COVID-19  Relief Funding                                                                    
Received and  Sources." She stated  that in response  to the                                                                    
COVID-19  pandemic, the  federal  government awarded  relief                                                                    
funding  in three  packages. The  first was  the Coronavirus                                                                    
Aid,  Relief, and  Economic Security  (CARES)  Act in  March                                                                    
2020 that  awarded Alaska $74  million. She noted  the CARES                                                                    
Act funding  expired on September  30, 2022. The  second was                                                                    
the   Coronavirus    Response   and    Relief   Supplemental                                                                    
Appropriations  Act (CRRSAA)  signed  into  law in  December                                                                    
2020 that awarded  Alaska a total of $168  million and would                                                                    
expire  on September  30, 2023.  The third  package was  the                                                                    
American Rescue Plan  Act (ARPA) in March  2021 that awarded                                                                    
Alaska  $379  million. She  stated  the  ARPA funding  would                                                                    
expire on September 30, 2023.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  stated that  each  of  the packages  contained                                                                    
multiple  federal   awards  including  the   Elementary  and                                                                    
Secondary   School  Emergency   Relief  Fund   (ESSER),  the                                                                    
Governor's  Emergency  Education  Relief  Fund  (GEER),  and                                                                    
Emergency Assistance to Non-Public Schools (EANS).                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  asked if the word  "expired" meant the                                                                    
funds needed to be expended at that time.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster noted  Representative  Coulombe had  joined                                                                    
near the beginning of the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:02:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if  the ESSER  and GEER  funds                                                                    
were included in  CARES, CRRSA, and ARPA or only  one of the                                                                    
three.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered  they  were   a  part  of  the  three                                                                    
packages. The  presentation was a  high level  overview, and                                                                    
the department  could provide additional detail  on what had                                                                    
been allocated  within each  of the  packages. She  noted it                                                                    
was a substantial amount of information.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked for  verification that there was                                                                    
ESSER, GEER, and other funding within the CARES Act.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  agreed that was  the case in  some combination.                                                                    
She   detailed  that   not   all   awards  contained   GEER.                                                                    
Additionally, there had  been other awards that  came to the                                                                    
state of  Alaska through the  Department of  Agriculture for                                                                    
child nutrition,  libraries, and arts. Her  presentation was                                                                    
primarily focused on funding that went to school districts.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders turned  to a  high  level summary  of the  $621                                                                    
million in  federal COVID-19 funding  received by  Alaska on                                                                    
slide  4 including  obligated and  unobligated funding.  She                                                                    
noted the  data on the  spreadsheet was as of  January 2023.                                                                    
She  explained  that  federal   guidance  required  DEED  to                                                                    
allocate 90 percent of the  funding ($517 million) to school                                                                    
districts  (referred to  as local  education agencies).  She                                                                    
noted  that   the  funding  was   allocated  based   on  the                                                                    
proportion of  Title I, Part  A funds a school  district had                                                                    
received in the most recent  year when awards were made. She                                                                    
elaborated that Title I, Part  A was from the Elementary and                                                                    
Secondary  Education  Act  that  was amended  by  the  Every                                                                    
Student Succeeds  Act (ESSA).  The program  provided funding                                                                    
to  school districts  serving high  numbers of  economically                                                                    
disadvantaged children.  She clarified that the  funding was                                                                    
not allocated to school districts  around the state based on                                                                    
the adjusted  average daily membership (AADM)  that was used                                                                    
to allocate funding through the foundation formula.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  referenced a  handout titled  "COVID-19 Federal                                                                    
Relief Funding for Alaska School  Districts" (copy on file).                                                                    
The table showed  the 90 percent funding for  EESER and GEER                                                                    
awards  to  each  of  the school  districts  for  all  three                                                                    
packages. The  second handout  was a  three-page spreadsheet                                                                    
titled "School District  COVID-19 Federal Relief Allocations                                                                    
and  Expenditures  as  of 1/23/2023"  (copy  on  file).  The                                                                    
spreadsheet included awarded funding  by package in addition                                                                    
to what had been expended by each of the school districts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson   asked   if  Ms.   Sanders   was                                                                    
highlighting the  documents in  order to lay  the foundation                                                                    
for the  numbers on page 4.  He asked if the  purpose was to                                                                    
prove up the numbers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  responded that  the  handouts  were to  ensure                                                                    
everyone had  all of  the information  she could  provide in                                                                    
anticipation of questions.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:07:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe asked  about the  term "obligated."                                                                    
She asked for more specific detail on the term.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that the  term obligated  pertaining to                                                                    
slide  4  referred  to  what  had  been  awarded  to  school                                                                    
districts.  The  department  had  worked with  each  of  the                                                                    
school  districts  to  make  sure they  were  aware  of  the                                                                    
allocation  they had  received. She  explained that  because                                                                    
school districts had certain time  periods in which to spend                                                                    
the money,  the funding  was considered obligated  and could                                                                    
not be used for another purpose.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  asked  if  the  remaining  balance                                                                    
shown [on slide 4] resided  with DEED and was not designated                                                                    
for anywhere else.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  agreed.  She  elaborated  that  the  remaining                                                                    
$664,734 [shown  on slide 4]  was an  optional appropriation                                                                    
to  school districts  for  certain  purposes. She  explained                                                                    
that  some of  the districts  declined the  funding if  they                                                                    
could not  meet the  requirements and  the funding  would be                                                                    
reallocated.  She noted  that the  reallocation process  had                                                                    
not  yet taken  place  when the  presentation  had been  put                                                                    
together.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  looked at  the charts  [included in                                                                    
the first  and second  handouts] and asked  for verification                                                                    
that one was for January 2022 and one for September 2021.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that the DEED  document dated September                                                                    
1, 2021 [handout 1] was at  a point in time and included the                                                                    
ESSER  and GEER  funding awards  to all  of the  school. The                                                                    
number  reflected   the  90   percent  provided   to  school                                                                    
districts  and  would not  change.  She  explained that  the                                                                    
second document  had a typo at  the top and should  be dated                                                                    
1/26/23 instead  of 1/26/22. She  would provide  a corrected                                                                    
document to  the committee. She explained  that the document                                                                    
had the same  allocations of funding to  school district (as                                                                    
handout  1)  with expenditures  in  addition  to some  other                                                                    
small awards including homeless  funds and preschool funding                                                                    
allocations.  She  highlighted  that  page 3  of  handout  2                                                                    
showed a total of $517  million, which was also reflected on                                                                    
slide 4 of the presentation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:10:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  appreciated all of  the information                                                                    
provided by  the department and  understood it was a  lot of                                                                    
work.  She was  trying  to understand  what  funds had  been                                                                    
spent. She stated that the  information showed what DEED had                                                                    
committed  to districts,  but it  did not  specify that  the                                                                    
money had actually been spent.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that  the larger  spreadsheet [handout                                                                    
2] showed what the school  districts had spent and requested                                                                    
reimbursement for. She noted that  the information was as of                                                                    
January [2023].  She explained that reimbursements  had come                                                                    
in since  that time and  would come  also come in  April for                                                                    
reimbursement   in  May;   therefore,   the  numbers   would                                                                    
fluctuate  slightly.  She  would  address  another  document                                                                    
later  in  the  meeting  showing remaining  funds  based  on                                                                    
actual expenditures as of April 15.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon asked how confident  the department was that                                                                    
the numbers  were current. He stated  his understanding that                                                                    
DEED  did  not  have  the information  from  all  54  school                                                                    
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that the  department had the information                                                                    
for  COVID  funding  as  of  the  time  reimbursements  were                                                                    
requested  and submitted  by  school  districts. She  stated                                                                    
that the  January information on  the slide was  correct and                                                                    
reflected what  had been reimbursed to  school districts for                                                                    
expenditures they had made.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon surmised that the  department had all of the                                                                    
latest  numbers  on encumbered  money,  but  DEED could  not                                                                    
vouch for what the money was encumbered for.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that the  department could speak to what                                                                    
school  districts  had  budgeted  for on  the  COVID  relief                                                                    
funding. She explained that  districts submitted budgets for                                                                    
DEED's grants  management system.  School districts  had the                                                                    
ability to change  or request changes to  what they budgeted                                                                    
for the  funds. She  could speak to  what had  actually been                                                                    
reimbursed to school districts.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon was  struggling  with the  notion that  the                                                                    
department  knew  what  each  school  district  had  in  its                                                                    
reserves and how much money  the districts could use towards                                                                    
fixed  costs. He  wanted to  explore the  topic more  as the                                                                    
presentation continued.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:13:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  turned to  slide 5  titled "Purpose  of Funds."                                                                    
She  would   also  discuss  the  allowable   fund  uses  and                                                                    
flexibility school  districts had  in determining  their use                                                                    
of funds.  She relayed  that all  three [federal]  acts were                                                                    
intended to  provide states with  funding to respond  to the                                                                    
pandemic.   The  funds   went   towards  supporting   school                                                                    
districts  and  reopening   schools  safely,  maximizing  in                                                                    
person instructional  time, and limiting the  impacts of the                                                                    
pandemic on students, educators, and families.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon referenced the  Southwest School District in                                                                    
Bristol Bay with  seven remote schools off  the road system.                                                                    
He highlighted that  their fuel costs doubled  in the winter                                                                    
of 2021  and 2022. He did  not know the precise  numbers for                                                                    
2022/2023.  He  shared  that  when  he  had  talked  to  the                                                                    
leadership in  the school  district, he  had been  told that                                                                    
when it came  to reporting on how the money  was spent, they                                                                    
were not  allowed to use  the funding  on fuel. He  asked if                                                                    
Ms. Sanders was saying it was ok.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed  and turned to slide 6  related to "Broad                                                                    
Allowable  Activity Categories."  The slide  reflected broad                                                                    
categories  for  uses of  funds.  She  shared that  she  and                                                                    
department staff were frequently  asked how much flexibility                                                                    
school districts  had in spending their  COVID relief funds.                                                                    
She relayed  there were very  few limitations on the  use of                                                                    
the   funds.  The   funds  could   be  used   for  salaries,                                                                    
improvement  and maintenance  of  facilities including  fuel                                                                    
costs, supplies,  summer school, and after  school programs.                                                                    
She  reviewed expenses  that  were  not allowable  including                                                                    
passenger   vans,  airplanes,   entertainment  (e.g.,   prom                                                                    
activities), purchasing  land, and  paying board  members or                                                                    
buying  computers  for  board members.  The  department  had                                                                    
identified  the   limitations  in  working  with   the  U.S.                                                                    
Department  of Education  and had  articulated  them to  the                                                                    
school  districts  through  resources  provided  and  online                                                                    
webinars.  She   reiterated  that  fuel  was   an  allowable                                                                    
expense.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon appreciated  the hearing  and presentation;                                                                    
however,  his  interpretation  from  the  viewpoint  of  the                                                                    
school  districts was  different than  what Ms.  Sanders had                                                                    
just described. He stated the  school districts did not feel                                                                    
they had  that type of flexibility.  Additionally, the needs                                                                    
had changed  during the pandemic and  enrollment numbers had                                                                    
declined for  many districts. He  stated there  were varying                                                                    
amounts  of  reserves  and   COVID  funding  (obligated  and                                                                    
perhaps  not   spent  or  encumbered)   in  the   54  school                                                                    
districts.  He referenced  the  notion  that districts  were                                                                    
sitting on  large reserves and  did not need a  BSA increase                                                                    
to meet operational  expenses. He expounded that  some of it                                                                    
was related  to personnel  and healthcare insurance  and the                                                                    
cost of fuel  for schools relying on diesel  fuel. He wanted                                                                    
the point to  be addressed in the meeting. He  stated it was                                                                    
something that needed to be  taken seriously. He underscored                                                                    
that if  there really  were dire needs  as projected  by his                                                                    
school  districts, he  believed  the  information needed  to                                                                    
come forth.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:18:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  thanked   Co-Chair  Foster  for  the                                                                    
opportunity to have the  conversation, particularly in light                                                                    
of comments  just made by Co-Chair  Edgmon. She acknowledged                                                                    
there  were  a  lot  of questions  floating  around  in  the                                                                    
building. She stated  it was one thing for a  district to be                                                                    
told  it could  spend the  money in  particular ways  versus                                                                    
what was prudent. She discussed  one-time money allocated to                                                                    
education over time. She stated  that while it was wonderful                                                                    
to  have investment  in  education,  the predictability  and                                                                    
sense that an  entire innovative program could  be built was                                                                    
missing. She was  hearing from school board  members that it                                                                    
was  difficult  because  certain  expenditures  may  not  be                                                                    
prudent  without the  predictability of  ongoing funding  in                                                                    
the future.  She believed that  without continuity  and time                                                                    
it made it difficult to  make the investment and recruitment                                                                    
that  was needed.  She  asked for  verification  it was  the                                                                    
department's  sense   that  school  districts   were  making                                                                    
decisions based on what they  believed they could hold up on                                                                    
an ongoing basis in the future when COVID funding was gone.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that  it was  an excellent  point. From                                                                    
the beginning, the guidance the  department had provided was                                                                    
to try not to spend  funding that would require districts to                                                                    
ask   the   legislature   for  an   increase   to   maintain                                                                    
expenditures going  into the future.  She remarked  that the                                                                    
state did  not want  to experience a  fiscal cliff  when the                                                                    
funding  expired  on September  30,  2024.  She agreed  that                                                                    
school districts  had to  weigh how  they would  spend their                                                                    
funding  to   have  a  long-term  sustainable   goal  moving                                                                    
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  looked at  slide 5 related  to the                                                                    
purpose of funds.  He looked at the verbs in  the two bullet                                                                    
points   including  "reopen"   schools  safely,   "maximize"                                                                    
instructional    time,   "address"    impacts,   "implement"                                                                    
actionable  strategies,  "return"  to  and  safely  sustain,                                                                    
"exacerbated," and  "emerge" stronger.  He saw  impacts that                                                                    
cost more.  He believed the  legislature had spent  a couple                                                                    
of  million   to  have  Beacon   provide  COVID   tests  [to                                                                    
legislators and staff]. He shared  that he had 30 tests done                                                                    
[by Beacon}. He considered  the additional associated costs.                                                                    
He asked if advocates of  increases to school funding should                                                                    
feel  they  need  to defend  arguments  that  somehow  COVID                                                                    
expenses   supplanted  other   monies.  He   asked  if   the                                                                    
department took a position on the specific matter.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  advanced to  slide  7  titled "Flexibility  in                                                                    
Spending"  to respond  to the  question. She  explained that                                                                    
CARES Act funding  had been awarded in March  of 2020 during                                                                    
the initial  stages of  the pandemic.  She detailed  that at                                                                    
the time, the guidance received  from the U.S. Department of                                                                    
Education  was very  specific in  limiting  how the  funding                                                                    
could  be spent.  As the  world had  progressed through  the                                                                    
pandemic,  the U.S.  Department of  Education had  broadened                                                                    
the flexibility in spending, which  was applied to all three                                                                    
of the awards.  She furthered that the  initial takeaway was                                                                    
a response  to the  immediate needs  of the  pandemic (i.e.,                                                                    
making  sure  students  and  educators   were  safe  in  the                                                                    
classroom),  but moving  forward  through  the pandemic  the                                                                    
government  had worked  to determine  how to  support school                                                                    
districts and students with the  funding to keep educational                                                                    
facilities open and to  continue educating students, whether                                                                    
it  meant  ensuring there  were  mental  health supports  to                                                                    
support   students   through   the   pandemic   and   making                                                                    
modifications to windows  in order to get fresh  air. It was                                                                    
DEED's position that the funding  was awarded initially with                                                                    
very specific  limitations, but  as time  went by  there had                                                                    
been much more flexibility  given to enable school districts                                                                    
to be creative in how they spent the funding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  stated his sense based  on who was                                                                    
present  in the  room and  what  he was  hearing around  the                                                                    
building  was   whether  the  department  felt   that  other                                                                    
resources  for the  54 school  districts were  freed up  and                                                                    
that  COVID freed  them up  and  it should  figure into  the                                                                    
debate  over  what the  legislature  would  do in  the  next                                                                    
several weeks. He asked if the department had a position.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded that she  did not have a  position on                                                                    
that.  She  thought  there was  an  acknowledgement  by  the                                                                    
federal government and  the state by two  actions taken. She                                                                    
relayed that  the state acknowledged  there were  changes in                                                                    
the  school districts  and there  was an  influx of  federal                                                                    
funding coming into  the state and made a  decision to waive                                                                    
the   10  percent   carryforward   balance   until  FY   25.                                                                    
Additionally, the  U.S. Department of Education  waived much                                                                    
of its  period of availability  for federal funds  given the                                                                    
school  districts   were  focusing  on  responding   to  the                                                                    
pandemic and spending  more of their federal  funds from the                                                                    
COVID relief funds and much  of the federal funding received                                                                    
through  the standard  title appropriations  were not  fully                                                                    
spent  down. She  noted  the  situation could  be  due to  a                                                                    
variety   of    reasons.   She   thought   there    was   an                                                                    
acknowledgement that  an influx of federal  funding had come                                                                    
into the  state. She  remarked that $517  million was  not a                                                                    
small number. She recognized the  funding was to address the                                                                    
immediate response  to the pandemic. She  explained that the                                                                    
document before  the committee was  only there to  provide a                                                                    
range of  funding that may  be available and should  be part                                                                    
of  the  conversation  when  determining  what  to  do  with                                                                    
funding in education.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted the committee was short on time.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  stated  she would  move  quickly  through  the                                                                    
upcoming slides in  interest of time. Slide  8 addressed the                                                                    
ways DEED worked  with school districts to  determine use of                                                                    
their  federal funds,  how DEED  approved school  districts'                                                                    
budgets,  questions the  department asked  including whether                                                                    
something was  an allowable use under  federal guidance, and                                                                    
whether  the use  of funding  was reasonable  and necessary.                                                                    
She turned  to slide 9  and explained that  school districts                                                                    
received their  COVID relief funds  by submitting  a request                                                                    
for  reimbursement.  She  expounded  that  school  districts                                                                    
spent  their funds  on their  budgeted  plans and  requested                                                                    
reimbursement for  the funds. She  explained it was  part of                                                                    
the department's  accountability process in ensuring  it was                                                                    
following the  federal guidance and  that it  was collecting                                                                    
the  data required  in  the reporting  process  to the  U.S.                                                                    
Department of Education.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:29:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders turned to slide  10 showing the "COVID-19 Relief                                                                    
Funding  Dashboard." She  relayed  that  the department  had                                                                    
created a  COVID-19 relief funding dashboard  in response to                                                                    
the volume  of information  and number  of awards  the state                                                                    
received  through the  three [federal]  acts. She  explained                                                                    
that  the  dashboard  provided  substantial  information  on                                                                    
awards and how school  districts, the department, non-public                                                                    
schools, and  the governor's office were  spending the COVID                                                                    
relief funding.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders turned  to  slide 12  on  school district  fund                                                                    
balances.  She  noted  that members'  packets  included  two                                                                    
versions of  the document shown  on the slide.  The document                                                                    
labeled handout  3 (copy on  file) included  school district                                                                    
fund balances  as of  June 30, 2022  in addition  to federal                                                                    
COVID relief fund  balances as of April 15,  2023. Handout 4                                                                    
(copy on file) included  several additional columns based on                                                                    
multiple  requests   including  the  FY  23   average  daily                                                                    
membership, the  FY 23 total  state entitlement, and  the FY                                                                    
23  $57   million  one-time  grant  distributed   to  school                                                                    
districts. She explained  that when DEED was  asked how much                                                                    
funding  school  districts  had   available  in  their  fund                                                                    
balances, it  was extremely limited  to the  data available.                                                                    
She detailed that school districts  were required to provide                                                                    
their  annual audited  financial statements  to DEED,  which                                                                    
included the  fund balances at  the end of the  prior fiscal                                                                    
year  for their  operating fund  and all  other governmental                                                                    
funds. The department did not  have access to current school                                                                    
district financials.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  explained  that   the  handouts  provided  the                                                                    
information  known   to  DEED.  She  detailed   that  school                                                                    
districts  started  the  fiscal   year  with  fund  balances                                                                    
exceeding  $795  million  on  June 30,  2022.  There  was  a                                                                    
minimum of $237  million available or remaining  to be drawn                                                                    
down   through  the   reimbursement   process  in   COVID-19                                                                    
requests.  The department  understood that  school districts                                                                    
may have  used some or all  of the balances. She  stated the                                                                    
documents  were intended  to provide  a  potential range  of                                                                    
available funds.  She reiterated her earlier  statement that                                                                    
the  state waived  the 10  percent  unreserved fund  balance                                                                    
requirement until  2025. She relayed  that at the end  of FY                                                                    
22  there were  26  school districts  that  exceeded the  10                                                                    
percent  balance.   Additionally,  the   federal  government                                                                    
extended the  period of availability  for spending  down the                                                                    
federal  awards. She  highlighted there  was an  increase in                                                                    
the  federal   title  awards  from   FY  22  to  FY   23  of                                                                    
approximately $5.5  million. She stated that  the amount was                                                                    
anticipated to  increase from FY  23 to FY 24.  She remarked                                                                    
that  school  districts  were the  appropriate  entities  to                                                                    
speak  to their  current fund  balances and  available COVID                                                                    
relief  funds,  but  the department  felt  all  data  points                                                                    
should  be  considered  when  having  a  conversation  about                                                                    
funding for school districts.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:34:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders relayed  that a colleague was  present to answer                                                                    
any  questions  about  limitations and  flexibility  of  the                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster stated  he had been seeing  the $237 million                                                                    
in remaining  federal COVID funding  for schools.  He looked                                                                    
at slide 4 that showed  total remaining COVID funding of $10                                                                    
million  compared to  the  handout  showing remaining  COVID                                                                    
funding of  $237 million.  He asked  Ms. Sanders  to explain                                                                    
the difference in the numbers.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   explained  that  DEED   had  used   the  term                                                                    
"obligated" on slide  4. She detailed that  $517 million had                                                                    
been allocated  to school districts  and the  department had                                                                    
obligated/awarded   $516   million   of   the   total.   She                                                                    
underscored  the obligated  amount  had nothing  to do  with                                                                    
expenditures. She turned to slide  12 and explained that the                                                                    
column  highlighted  in  yellow  showing  a  total  of  $236                                                                    
million   reflected   the   amount   remaining   after   the                                                                    
expenditures   or  the   reimbursement  requests   had  been                                                                    
received by the department from school districts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked for verification  that the  number to                                                                    
focus on was the $237 million.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked if the  $237 million had  been spent                                                                    
or obligated.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded that the  amount on slide 12 reflected                                                                    
the amount that school districts  had not drawn or asked for                                                                    
reimbursements for. She explained  that school districts may                                                                    
have plans or  obligations they had put into  place that had                                                                    
not  yet been  spent or  they  had not  yet submitted  their                                                                    
reimbursement requests.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson surmised  that how  much of  the remaining                                                                    
funding had been spent by districts was not yet known.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed. She explained  that school districts may                                                                    
be  getting   ready  to  submit  their   reimbursement.  For                                                                    
example,  a  school  district  may   have  replaced  an  air                                                                    
conditioning  unit  and  was now  preparing  to  submit  its                                                                    
reimbursement  request to  DEED. She  underscored that  DEED                                                                    
did not have information on  the current financials for each                                                                    
of  the school  districts. She  stated the  school districts                                                                    
had  to answer  those  questions. The  department knew  that                                                                    
$237  million had  not been  requested for  reimbursement by                                                                    
the school districts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan referenced the  handouts [3 and 4] and                                                                    
noted that  one [handout 4] included  more columns including                                                                    
the  average daily  membership. She  noted that  the handout                                                                    
included Mt.  Edgecumbe, which resulted  in a  difference in                                                                    
the  COVID  relief  funds  remaining  shown  in  the  column                                                                    
highlighted  in  yellow.  She  asked  if  it  was  the  only                                                                    
discrepancy  between  the two  in  the  COVID [relief  funds                                                                    
remaining] column.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed.  She relayed that DEED was  asked to add                                                                    
Mt. Edgecumbe and expand the information included.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  stated  her  understanding  that  by                                                                    
statute districts  were required to  have a 10  percent fund                                                                    
balance, but  the requirement had  been waived until  FY 25.                                                                    
She  asked if  the fund  balance requirement  would go  back                                                                    
into effect at the beginning or end of FY 25.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ELWIN  BLACKWELL,  SCHOOL  FINANCE  MANAGER,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
EDUCATION  AND  EARLY   DEVELOPMENT,  answered  that  school                                                                    
districts  could have  anywhere between  zero to  10 percent                                                                    
under the  statute (the 10  percent represented  a maximum).                                                                    
The statute  was waived to  June 30, 2025. The  fund balance                                                                    
reflected the balance  on June 30 of any  given fiscal year.                                                                    
He explained  that the  fund balance on  the given  date was                                                                    
reported in the annual audit.  He stated it only represented                                                                    
what happened at the end of  the fiscal year, but on July 1,                                                                    
districts  would  still  have  the  same  fund  balance.  He                                                                    
explained it was technically at the end of a fiscal year.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk  asked why  DEED  was  limited in  its                                                                    
knowledge about funding districts had available.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that the  only statute  providing DEED                                                                    
authority to  gather information  was the one  requiring the                                                                    
year  end   audited  statements.  She  stated   that  school                                                                    
districts  had  local  control  over  their  funds  and  the                                                                    
department  did  not  have visibility  into  their  finances                                                                    
during the year.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk stated  it was  frustrating to  get an                                                                    
answer about the finances. He  stated that when he looked at                                                                    
the numbers  provided, he wondered how  much money districts                                                                    
really had. He  thought it was a  struggle because districts                                                                    
said they  needed money,  but he was  uncertain there  was a                                                                    
real  answer.  He  observed  that   one  district  had  $351                                                                    
million. He  wanted transparency before agreeing  to provide                                                                    
additional  funding  to  the  BSA. He  shared  that  he  had                                                                    
previously been a teacher for  25 years and wanted to ensure                                                                    
schools  were  funded,  but   without  transparency  it  was                                                                    
difficult for  him to  agree to increase  the BSA.  He asked                                                                    
for  verification that  DEED did  not  have visibility  into                                                                    
grant funding for school districts.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  confirmed  the  information  did  not  include                                                                    
grants.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp shared  that  he  had fairly  detailed                                                                    
information  from his  school district  CFO Andy  DeGraw. He                                                                    
reported  that  the  Fairbanks  North  Star  Borough  School                                                                    
District  (FNSBSD) only  had $4.3  million available  out of                                                                    
the total funds listed. He  noted that the district itemized                                                                    
all  of  its  expenditures.  He  stated  that  the  district                                                                    
disputed  the   amount  of  money  DEED   showed  for  pupil                                                                    
transportation. The  district reported  the actual  was $3.5                                                                    
million,  not $4.7  million. The  district talked  about the                                                                    
capital   and  other   government  funds   allocation  being                                                                    
appropriated  already  for  IT replacement,  insurance,  and                                                                    
different   operational   replacement    values   of   staff                                                                    
technology over  a four-year period. He  elaborated that Mr.                                                                    
DeGraw concluded that out of  the $16.1 million listed, only                                                                    
$4.3 million  of the funds  were actually available  for the                                                                    
FNSBSD  for appropriation.  He added  that the  district had                                                                    
already committed  the FY 24  budget. He did not  know where                                                                    
the  big  discrepancy  was   [between  the  school  district                                                                    
numbers and the  DEED numbers]. He relayed that  when he had                                                                    
requested the information, he had  received an itemized list                                                                    
showing the FNSBSD's accountability.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:43:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that the  school  districts had  more                                                                    
current information.  The information shown by  DEED was the                                                                    
information  it  had  available  in  the  audited  financial                                                                    
statements from  school districts as  of June 30,  2022. She                                                                    
stated that  school districts were  the ones that  should be                                                                    
communicating  to  legislators  and   the  public  on  their                                                                    
current fund balances.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   asked  for  verification   that  the                                                                    
information  was from  audited information  from nearly  one                                                                    
year ago.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied affirmatively.  She added the  date was                                                                    
noted on the slide.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  looked at slide  3 and asked if  the funds                                                                    
had to be obligated or spent by the expiration date shown.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that the  funds had to be  expended by                                                                    
September 30, 2024.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  was   concerned   about  the   word                                                                    
"honesty." She  relayed that like Representative  Stapp, she                                                                    
had  been able  to  receive any  information  she had  asked                                                                    
about  [from  her  school district].  She  asked  if  school                                                                    
districts provided information to DEED when requested.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell  answered affirmatively. He confirmed  that if                                                                    
DEED asked the school  districts for particular information,                                                                    
the  department had  a good  working  relationship with  the                                                                    
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  stated  her understanding  that  the                                                                    
presentation was  based on existing  statute with  regard to                                                                    
when information  was reported to the  department. She asked                                                                    
for   verification   that   there  was   other   information                                                                    
available, but  there was no  sense from  DEED's perspective                                                                    
that  anyone  was  trying  to   keep  information  from  the                                                                    
department so that  it could not get  a better understanding                                                                    
of the numbers.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered  that   the  department  had  limited                                                                    
information available.  She stated  that the  department did                                                                    
not have  access to school districts'  live information. She                                                                    
explained that the point of  the document was to provide the                                                                    
information the  department had available from  districts at                                                                    
present.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:46:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster  moved   to   presentations  from   school                                                                    
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. BRIDGET  WEISS, SUPERINTENDENT, JUNEAU  SCHOOL DISTRICT,                                                                    
provided  a PowerPoint  presentation  titled "Fund  Balance"                                                                    
(copy  on file).  She spoke  in support  of the  legislation                                                                    
that would increase the BSA  for school districts across the                                                                    
state.  She relayed  that the  Juneau School  District (JSD)                                                                    
school board  policy required a 1.5  percent unassigned fund                                                                    
balance. She  explained reducing the fund  balance below 1.5                                                                    
percent required  a majority on  the board to vote  in favor                                                                    
of the action.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weiss  turned to  slide  3  showing  a table  of  JSD's                                                                    
unassigned fund balance story based  on the district's audit                                                                    
documents. She noted the audit  documents were final on June                                                                    
30  and  took  several  months  to  become  solidified.  She                                                                    
highlighted that  the district's  budgeted fund  balance for                                                                    
FY 20  was $574,400.  She explained  that when  the district                                                                    
created its budget, the school  board had to project what it                                                                    
planned  on  the  ending  fund  balance to  be  based  on  a                                                                    
multitude of assumptions. She reported  that the actual fund                                                                    
balance in  FY 20 had  been -$30,603. She explained  that in                                                                    
the audited document there were  other designated funds with                                                                    
balances  that would  often cover  [for the  deficit in  the                                                                    
actual  fund balance].  The following  year, in  FY 21,  the                                                                    
board voted  to reduce  its projected budgeted  fund balance                                                                    
to $213,700 and  the year ended with an  actual audited fund                                                                    
balance of zero.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss continued to review  slide 3. She reported that in                                                                    
FY 22 the  board voted to take the budgeted  fund balance to                                                                    
zero to  try to make  ends meet. The district's  actual fund                                                                    
balance  at  the  end  of  FY  22  was  -$1.8  million.  She                                                                    
explained that  when all  of the  district's funds  had been                                                                    
combined, the actual fund balance  had been -$63,000 for the                                                                    
first time. The district had  worked to get its fund balance                                                                    
back up to  $272,000 in FY 23  and it did not  know what the                                                                    
end of  the year would  bring [in terms of  actual numbers].                                                                    
The board  had gone back  to its 1.5 percent  [fund balance]                                                                    
policy requirement  for FY 24  because it could see  the net                                                                    
effect of  what was taking  place. She stated they  had been                                                                    
robbing Peter to  pay Paul, which was not  an option because                                                                    
the district's budgets were so slim.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:51:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss  turned to  slide 3  and discussed  the district's                                                                    
transportation  budget.  She  explained  that  the  district                                                                    
currently received  the same amount  of funding  per student                                                                    
for  transportation that  it received  in  August 2015.  She                                                                    
relayed the absence of a  hold harmless statute had hurt the                                                                    
district  in regard  to transportation.  She expounded  that                                                                    
JSD had  a little grace  during COVID due to  the enrollment                                                                    
hold   harmless  statute,   but  it   was  nonexistent   for                                                                    
transportation.  She  noted  the  numbers on  slide  4  were                                                                    
audited. In 2020/2021, the district  ended with a deficit in                                                                    
its  transportation budget,  which  was  carried forward  to                                                                    
2021/2022  and  the   deficit  subsequently  increased.  She                                                                    
stated that the  district had to run its  buses, and whether                                                                    
there were 200  fewer students or not, the buses  had to run                                                                    
across   town  (routes   changed   little  when   enrollment                                                                    
declined).  She stressed  that transportation  funding would                                                                    
have to increase by 30 percent  in order for the district to                                                                    
break even in FY 24.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weiss   turned  to  slide  5   pertaining  to  property                                                                    
liability insurance.  There were  many costs  that increased                                                                    
including fuel, transportation,  salaries, and benefits. She                                                                    
emphasized that  the district had  no control over  the cost                                                                    
increase of  property liability  insurance. The  cost listed                                                                    
on slide  5 reflected  actual costs  and the  projected cost                                                                    
for  FY 24.  The slide  showed a  radical increase  that the                                                                    
district did not have the budget to compensate for.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss addressed COVID funding  on slide 6. She explained                                                                    
that one  of the  reasons the district  did not  have actual                                                                    
numbers  for COVID  fund balances  was because  the district                                                                    
was reimbursed on a quarterly  system. She detailed that the                                                                    
district  could not  submit its  reimbursements until  money                                                                    
was  expended and  the funding  was expended  throughout the                                                                    
year.  She  stated  there were  two  upcoming  reimbursement                                                                    
dates that  were not  reflected on  the sheet  [presented by                                                                    
DEED] including April  30 and July 31. In  Juneau, like most                                                                    
districts  in the  state, JSD  looked at  its resources  for                                                                    
COVID  and  worked  to  balance spending  of  the  funds  to                                                                    
support  the  district through  the  recovery  with a  given                                                                    
amount  per year.  For example,  a spreadsheet  [provided by                                                                    
DEED labeled handout 4 (copy  on file)] showed $3,331,997 in                                                                    
remaining COVID  funds. The  district was  actually budgeted                                                                    
at $1.6 million for the  next school year and it anticipated                                                                    
the  balance of  about  $1.7  million would  be  in the  two                                                                    
reimbursements  coming April  30  and July  31. She  stated,                                                                    
"they are expending  as we go." She explained it  had been a                                                                    
challenge  anytime the  district received  one-time funding.                                                                    
She elaborated  that the source  did not really  matter, the                                                                    
school district had to look  at the expenditure to ensure it                                                                    
was  not setting  itself up  for a  fiscal cliff.  She noted                                                                    
that COVID  funding had that  potential. She relayed  it had                                                                    
the same  effect as one-time  funding from  the legislature.                                                                    
She stressed that the district  had to strategically use the                                                                    
money  in the  way it  was  intended, to  pull its  students                                                                    
through a pandemic.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:55:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss  reviewed JSD's  FY 24 landscape  on slide  7. She                                                                    
stated that in  order to build a budget for  the next school                                                                    
year, the board anticipated a  $430 increase to the BSA. She                                                                    
emphasized that even with the  increase, the district had to                                                                    
make  cuts to  its budget  to build  a balanced  budget. She                                                                    
noted that  the school board  had to have a  balanced budget                                                                    
to submit  to the state.  If the  $430 BSA increase  did not                                                                    
occur, the  board would go  back to  the table and  cut $3.3                                                                    
million from  the budget. To  get to the current  budget for                                                                    
the following year the school  district had removed $235,000                                                                    
of classified  support at the  elementary level  and special                                                                    
education positions. The district  built its balanced budget                                                                    
with  cuts and  the anticipation  of increased  revenue. She                                                                    
stated  it  was  challenging   because  every  district  was                                                                    
somewhat unique. She underscored  that the district was very                                                                    
transparent.  The district  had audited  financials and  was                                                                    
willing to  share any  number from its  books, which  it did                                                                    
annually. She  remarked that  an ongoing,  reliable adequate                                                                    
fiscal  picture  for  school  districts  was  imminent.  She                                                                    
underscored  that districts  could not  build innovative  or                                                                    
sustaining  programming for  their students.  She emphasized                                                                    
that grant budgets, which  were specifically targeted funds,                                                                    
had   allowed  the   district  to   provide  mental   health                                                                    
clinicians, Tlingit language  support, culturally responsive                                                                    
teaching, and  things the  district would  never be  able to                                                                    
provide otherwise.  The grants were one-time  targeted funds                                                                    
and the district needed to  be supported fiscally to be able                                                                    
to sustain the educational efforts for its students.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  remarked that he  did not want to  rush the                                                                    
rest  of  the  meeting  and   wanted  to  provide  time  for                                                                    
questions;  therefore,  he would  move  some  of the  school                                                                    
districts to another meeting hearing during the week.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin   thanked    Ms.   Weiss   for   her                                                                    
presentation. She  looked at  transportation costs  on slide                                                                    
4. She  understood the state budgeted  for transportation in                                                                    
a separate line  item in the budget. She  believed Ms. Weiss                                                                    
had stated  JSD needed a  30 percent increase to  break even                                                                    
for  FY  24  transportation.   She  referenced  Ms.  Weiss's                                                                    
testimony that  the district  had to  provide transportation                                                                    
even  when it  was not  breaking even.  She asked  where the                                                                    
money came from.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss responded that the  district had carried forward a                                                                    
deficit in  its transportation  budget for two  years hoping                                                                    
it could  find some  efficiencies and make  it up,  but that                                                                    
had  not been  possible. The  district had  asked its  local                                                                    
assembly  to  help.  She stated  that  the  school  district                                                                    
thought it could perhaps catch  back up, but the deficit had                                                                    
continued  to increase.  Ultimately,  in June  of 2022,  the                                                                    
district  had ended  up in  the red  in its  overall budget,                                                                    
which  had  been a  wake  up  call.  She stressed  that  the                                                                    
district could not keep carrying the deficits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp looked  at  the 3x  increase in  JSD's                                                                    
property liability  insurance. He  assumed the  district was                                                                    
fully  insured.  He asked  if  the  district had  looked  at                                                                    
commercial risk pooling with the  City and Borough of Juneau                                                                    
(CBJ) or self-insuring.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weiss replied  that JSD  already did  so. The  district                                                                    
worked directly with CBJ for its insurance.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:00:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  looked  at  the  $1.6  million  in                                                                    
remaining  COVID  funding [slide  6].  She  asked about  the                                                                    
total COVID funding received by Juneau.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss responded approximately $12 million.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon thought  he heard  DEED tell  the committee                                                                    
earlier in the  meeting that it had a pretty  good handle on                                                                    
all of  the COVID money  out there.  He heard Ms.  Weiss say                                                                    
that  JSD was  reimbursed  on quarterly  rates including  on                                                                    
April 1 and July 31 and  that it had $1.6 million remaining.                                                                    
He remarked that the two statements clashed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss  believed the date  on DEED's slide was  April 15.                                                                    
The two  quarterly upcoming  reimbursement dates  were April                                                                    
30 and July  31. She explained that by the  time JSD did its                                                                    
reimbursements  at the  end of  April and  end of  July, the                                                                    
anticipated amount  remaining for the next  and final school                                                                    
year was $1.6 million.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon was  trying to  get  to a  BSA number  that                                                                    
would work for some school  districts but would not be ideal                                                                    
for  others.  He stated  it  was  just  the way  the  school                                                                    
districts were built   big,  small, medium, and so forth. He                                                                    
asked if the department knew  enough to understand JSD's BSA                                                                    
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss answered that the  school funding formula was very                                                                    
complicated.  She relayed  that  running  a school  district                                                                    
budget was almost impossible and  if most businesses ran the                                                                    
way they did there would  not be many thriving businesses in                                                                    
Alaska. She stated  that the information DEED  had access to                                                                    
was fully  transparent through  audited records  and through                                                                    
their reimbursement for COVID  expenditures based on certain                                                                    
funding  formulas  DEED  held  the   lens  to.  It  was  all                                                                    
dependent on the  process. Under the particular  case it was                                                                    
a  reimbursement. She  stated  that  sometimes JSD  received                                                                    
funds upfront and the school  district was able to spend the                                                                    
funds  based  on the  criteria.  She  elaborated that  COVID                                                                    
funding  was a  reimbursable fund  where the  district spent                                                                    
money and requested reimbursement from DEED.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon did not think  the department understood the                                                                    
true  needs of  the  school districts.  He understood  there                                                                    
were  a lot  of moving  parts outside  of COVID  funding and                                                                    
things  that changed  quickly  such  as liability  insurance                                                                    
rates and  other. He stated  it brought him to  the question                                                                    
about what  number to put  the BSA  at. He believed  in some                                                                    
situations  it would  be highly  acute.  He elaborated  that                                                                    
Juneau had gone  through its reserves. He  stated there were                                                                    
the Mat-Su,  Bristol Bay, Fairbanks,  and others  to follow.                                                                    
He believed the  issue needed to be  explored. He understood                                                                    
the  picture  Ms. Weiss  was  painting  and appreciated  the                                                                    
details.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:04:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz   appreciated  the   presentation.  He                                                                    
looked at  the third  bullet point  [on slide  7] specifying                                                                    
that with a $430 increase to  the BSA the district would cut                                                                    
two special  education positions and $235,000  in classified                                                                    
support at  the elementary  level. He underscored  that $430                                                                    
was a number that would  entail losing two special education                                                                    
positions and  cutting classified support at  the elementary                                                                    
level. He emphasized that it did  not speak to the impact on                                                                    
individual  students  who  would   not  see  the  classified                                                                    
specialists   in  their   classrooms   or  receive   special                                                                    
education  support. He  was not  criticizing  anyone in  the                                                                    
room. He underscored the importance  of keeping track of the                                                                    
end result being  delivered to students across  the state if                                                                    
the BSA continued  to be flat funded. He  emphasized that it                                                                    
was not  possible to  make up a  year's instruction  where a                                                                    
student did not  receive added support. He  asked for detail                                                                    
on  the  impact of  eliminating  the  two special  education                                                                    
positions and the $235,000 cut  to classified support at the                                                                    
elementary level.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss replied  that she was closing in on  her 39th year                                                                    
in  education. She  relayed that  for at  least the  past 10                                                                    
years she had been an  advocate for financial support and it                                                                    
broke her  heart. She shared  that the job in  education was                                                                    
incredibly different  at present than  it had been  when she                                                                    
started teaching in 1984. She  stated that the fact that she                                                                    
lived in the amazing state of  Alaska and had to appear like                                                                    
she  was begging,  pleading, and  justifying  the work  that                                                                    
needed to  be done for  children in Alaska broke  her heart.                                                                    
She saw  it daily in  the school district. She  shared there                                                                    
were  students  who needed  more  support  in reading,  more                                                                    
adult  support   and  with   very  significant   social  and                                                                    
emotional needs.  She underscored there was  not any problem                                                                    
in  any of  the state's  communities that  did not  live and                                                                    
breathe inside the schools and  classrooms. She stated there                                                                    
were  other items  the  district  had to  cut,  but she  had                                                                    
selected the two items [shown  on slide 7] because they were                                                                    
directly  dedicated to  classroom and  student support.  She                                                                    
found  it shameful  that they  could not  figure out  how to                                                                    
support  its  educational  system  in  a  way  that  made  a                                                                    
difference for students. She  highlighted that students were                                                                    
"our neighbors" and would be the state's workforce.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss stressed  it was time to step up  with an adequate                                                                    
and routine funding source  that was increased incrementally                                                                    
over time. She  emphasized that the current  situation was a                                                                    
result  of  flat funding  over  the  past seven  years.  She                                                                    
stated that  the district  would not be  asking for  as much                                                                    
currently if  it had been incrementally  increased along the                                                                    
way as it should have been.  She did not have a magic number                                                                    
[for the BSA].  She explained that the JSD  school board had                                                                    
selected  the number  [$430]  because  it was  uncomfortable                                                                    
gambling  on  anything  more, but  they  could  not  stomach                                                                    
figuring out  how to build  a budget adequately on  $30. The                                                                    
decision  had been  to land  somewhere in  the middle  where                                                                    
they  could   survive  building  a  budget   and  have  some                                                                    
semblance  of  order and  hope  the  number ended  up  being                                                                    
somewhere in that ballpark.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:09:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked how  many people worked  in the                                                                    
JSD finance section.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weiss  answered there were  three people in  the finance                                                                    
department and three in the payroll department.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked how large the  section had been                                                                    
when Ms. Weiss started.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weiss  responded  that  when  she  first  came  to  the                                                                    
district  (nine  years  ago),  there had  been  one  or  two                                                                    
additional positions in the section.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan   stated   there  were   53   school                                                                    
districts. She had never turned  to DEED for what her school                                                                    
districts  needed;  she  had always  turned  to  the  school                                                                    
districts that  had independent  boards and  finance offices                                                                    
with the  ability to get  the information  at the drop  of a                                                                    
hat. She could not fathom  how large DEED's finance division                                                                    
would have to be to be  able to report to the legislature on                                                                    
the increase  in P&I insurance  and the relationship  to the                                                                    
city and  when it went  up. She  turned to her  district and                                                                    
knew  the school  boards  actively engage  and  look at  the                                                                    
items. She was  shocked that some thought DEED  should be in                                                                    
charge because  "we've given that authority"  (fiduciary and                                                                    
legal) to boards  that were elected to hire  and fire people                                                                    
to  make sure  there  was accurate  information. She  stated                                                                    
that DEED was  a reporting agency of data  from very diverse                                                                    
districts.  She  remarked that  the  numbers  were sad.  She                                                                    
stated  that  programs  had  been   cut  to  the  bone.  She                                                                    
emphasized there  were special education students  who would                                                                    
have  less services  the next  year in  the budget  that the                                                                    
legislature would be  able to produce and  protect for them.                                                                    
She thanked Ms. Weiss for her testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:11:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  felt   like  the  department  was                                                                    
perhaps thinking  "don't shoot  the messenger" and  that its                                                                    
information reflected a  moment in time and was  all it had.                                                                    
He was concerned  about what someone would  think looking at                                                                    
the  DEED school  district fund  balances updated  April 18,                                                                    
2023  because  districts were  supposed  to  have a  reserve                                                                    
balance  (the requirement  had  been waived).  Additionally,                                                                    
there  was a  capital  project fund,  which  was the  reason                                                                    
there were five-year lapsing  requirements because the funds                                                                    
were  not expected  to be  spent in  a year.  He found  that                                                                    
column  to be  unique. He  continued that  there were  total                                                                    
COVID funds and the deadline  was about six months away, but                                                                    
someone could  look at the  total by district and  say there                                                                    
was  $1.037  billion;  however,   it  was  not  particularly                                                                    
relevant to the overall.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  moved  to the  Anchorage  School  District                                                                    
(ASD).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ANDY  RATLIFF,  CHIEF  FINANCIAL OFFICER,  ANCHORAGE  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT, testified in support of  HB 65 and a BSA increase.                                                                    
He wanted to  address the "elephant in the  room," which was                                                                    
the $351 million reported in  the district's available funds                                                                    
to spend. He  remarked there was a wide  variety of balances                                                                    
among all districts; therefore, to  hold the entire state to                                                                    
the Anchorage standard was likely  unfair. He referenced the                                                                    
DEED  spreadsheet titled  "Handout 4:  School District  Fund                                                                    
Balances" discussed  earlier in the meeting  (copy on file).                                                                    
The  first   column  represented  $71.1  million   of  ASD's                                                                    
unreserved  fund balance.  Of the  total, $25.7  million was                                                                    
restricted  for   use  to   preserve  the   Municipality  of                                                                    
Anchorage bond rating.  He elaborated that ASD  set aside 10                                                                    
percent of its  tax request to be able help  when bonds were                                                                    
sold  in  the  future.  He  stated  it  was  restricted  and                                                                    
undesignated  and represented  a little  under one  month of                                                                    
general fund expenditures for ASD.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ratliff   stated  that  about   $2.5  million   of  the                                                                    
district's  $3.1  million  transportation fund  balance  was                                                                    
dedicated to help  shore up the FY 24 budget.  He relayed in                                                                    
the  past ASD  had been  100 percent  program funded  by the                                                                    
state and transportation was now  funded about 73 percent by                                                                    
the state. The district had  increased driver wages by about                                                                    
25 percent in  the current year to get drivers  in the door.                                                                    
He explained that about two-thirds  of its general education                                                                    
bus routes  had not been  running at  the start of  the year                                                                    
because  the  district  had been  unable  to  hire  drivers.                                                                    
Raising wages had helped get drivers  in the door and all of                                                                    
its buses  were running, although  it was difficult  to find                                                                    
substitutes and run after school programs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ratliff  reported  that the  $16  million  for  capital                                                                    
projects was made  up of bond proceeds and  was dedicated to                                                                    
bond programs and  could not easily be  transferred into the                                                                    
general fund for other instructional  uses. There was $167.7                                                                    
million  in other  governmental fund  balances. He  detailed                                                                    
that $90.5 million  of the total had been  in the district's                                                                    
debt service fund as of FY  22, $4.1 million was the receipt                                                                    
of property  taxes, and  $86.4 million  was the  school bond                                                                    
debt reimbursement.  He stated  that Anchorage was  the only                                                                    
school  district   that  received   the  school   bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement  and   other  districts  went   through  their                                                                    
municipalities.  He  noted  that school  districts  did  not                                                                    
necessarily  have a  say in  what  to do  with the  specific                                                                    
funds.  The  ASD  board  had  approved  the  funding  to  be                                                                    
transferred  to its  capital projects  fund to  be dedicated                                                                    
for  deferred  maintenance  and  safety  projects  including                                                                    
secure vestibules to strengthen  entrances to the elementary                                                                    
schools,  as   well  as  rooves  and   other  high  priority                                                                    
equipment failures  that needed to be  addressed. He relayed                                                                    
that about $40  million of the total had  not been dedicated                                                                    
to a particular project.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:17:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff  continued to review  a breakdown of  the $167.7                                                                    
million  in other  governmental fund  balances. He  detailed                                                                    
that  about  $9.1  million was  restricted  by  the  federal                                                                    
government  for   food  service.  In  FY   22,  the  federal                                                                    
government  decided to  continue paying  higher COVID  rates                                                                    
and  the district  had  been  able to  save  some money.  He                                                                    
elaborated  that  the  district  was starting  to  draw  the                                                                    
funding down in FY  23 and would continue to do  so in FY 24                                                                    
as the rates were not increasing  as fast as the food worker                                                                    
wages and the cost of  food were increasing. He relayed that                                                                    
$5.8  million of  the other  governmental  fund balance  was                                                                    
student  activity funds.  The funds  were raised  by student                                                                    
activity  groups and  booster clubs  and were  dedicated for                                                                    
the  sole use  by  the  schools for  the  clubs raising  the                                                                    
money. He  elaborated that $62.6  million was  other general                                                                    
fund balance reservations. He stated  that $11.3 million was                                                                    
for federal impact aid. He  explained that the state allowed                                                                    
the  school  district to  reserve  funding  for the  purpose                                                                    
because the timing and amount  of the federal impact aid was                                                                    
unknown. The district  knew the number of  students it would                                                                    
get federal impact aid for, but  it did not know the rate or                                                                    
if  the  federal  government  would  fund  at  100  percent;                                                                    
therefore, the state allowed the  school district to reserve                                                                    
money for that purpose.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Ratliff  continued   reviewing  the   school  district                                                                    
funding. He relayed that $18  million was for self-insurance                                                                    
and workers'  compensation reserves. There  were outstanding                                                                    
claims  that had  not yet  been paid  and a  portion of  the                                                                    
funds had to be reserved  for future claims costs. There was                                                                    
$28.6 million  in encumbered funds for  ongoing projects and                                                                    
about  $18 million  of the  total was  reserved for  charter                                                                    
schools.  The school  district  allowed  charter schools  to                                                                    
carry forward  their balances and  to use the funds  as they                                                                    
saw fit.  The remainder of  the $28.6 million  went annually                                                                    
to   major  maintenance   projects  including   IT  software                                                                    
purchases,  curriculum adoptions,  and audits.  He explained                                                                    
that $2.8  million and  $1.4 million  went to  prepaid items                                                                    
and  inventory  for the  next  year.  He relayed  that  many                                                                    
contracts  (e.g.,   software  contracts)   required  advance                                                                    
payment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:19:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff reviewed $92.7 million  in COVID relief funding.                                                                    
He  stated the  amount  should reflect  ASD's unspent  COVID                                                                    
funding as of  December 31 [2022]; the district  had not yet                                                                    
submitted  its third  quarter  reimbursement.  He noted  the                                                                    
fourth quarter would be a much  heavier spend due to the way                                                                    
the  district's  teachers  were   paid.  He  explained  that                                                                    
teachers were paid 12 equal  payments from September through                                                                    
June  with  two  payments  in May  to  help  carry  teachers                                                                    
through the  summer. The school district  anticipated having                                                                    
$20 million to $25 million at  the end of the year. He noted                                                                    
that $20 million had been  dedicated to class size retention                                                                    
for next year's budget.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff  addressed why the  fund balance  was necessary.                                                                    
The first reason  was available cash flow.  The COVID relief                                                                    
funding  had to  be spent  upfront, requiring  some cash  on                                                                    
hand  in  order to  do  so.  The  fund balance  allowed  the                                                                    
district to  have cash on  hand in  order to pay  bills. The                                                                    
second  reason was  related to  the timing  of property  tax                                                                    
payments. He  detailed that property  tax payments  were not                                                                    
received until beginning in December.  He explained that the                                                                    
cash  balance declined  until  December  until the  payments                                                                    
started coming in.  The districts had to  float the revenues                                                                    
until the other funding came in.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Ratliff  addressed   the  school   district's  capital                                                                    
construction program, which  was based on the  timing of the                                                                    
district's bond sales. He explained  that the district could                                                                    
spend  its capital  into a  deficit,  sell a  bond, and  pay                                                                    
itself. He  elaborated that  having the cash  on hand  to be                                                                    
able   to   accommodate   capital  construction   was   very                                                                    
beneficial,  which was  one  of the  reasons  ASD carried  a                                                                    
fairly high  fund balance in  cash. He  addressed unforeseen                                                                    
emergencies and highlighted an earthquake  as an example. He                                                                    
explained  that  the  board had  immediately  allocated  $30                                                                    
million  of  the school  district's  fund  balance to  start                                                                    
getting  schools  safely  reopened.  The  effort  had  taken                                                                    
substantial funding  and the district  was still  waiting on                                                                    
FEMA [Federal  Emergency Management  Agency] reimbursements.                                                                    
He highlighted that Russian Jack  Elementary had burned down                                                                    
in the early 2000s and the  school district had been able to                                                                    
spend  its fund  balance  to help  get  the work  reimbursed                                                                    
before   insurance   proceeds   kicked  in.   He   addressed                                                                    
unanticipated enrollment  losses. He  explained that  if the                                                                    
district  lost 100  students  in  a year  it  equated to  $1                                                                    
million.  By the  time the  district  knew it  had lost  100                                                                    
students,  all of  its  staff was  already  on contract  and                                                                    
could not  be reduced. Many  times, the district  would have                                                                    
to use its fund balance to help float the costs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff  stated that ASD  had just under $72  million in                                                                    
undesignated fund balances. Of  the total, about $26 million                                                                    
would  be continually  reserved to  preserve the  district's                                                                    
bond  rating, which  left about  $46  million. The  district                                                                    
expected  the amount  to increase  by  the end  of 2023.  He                                                                    
explained  that  the  board  had  saved  the  $16.2  million                                                                    
received for  use in FY 23  to offset some of  the losses in                                                                    
FY 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:22:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff  reported the district  had about  450 vacancies                                                                    
throughout the current  year. The district did  not want the                                                                    
vacancies and would rather spend  the money and not have the                                                                    
fund balance, but  from a finance perspective  it helped pad                                                                    
the fund balance. The district  had a balanced budget for FY                                                                    
24  including $45  million in  one-time  fund balance  money                                                                    
plus $20 million in remaining  ESSER funding and an increase                                                                    
of  $7.5  million  for  the PTR  [pupil  to  teacher  ratio]                                                                    
including   one  additional   student  per   classroom.  The                                                                    
district planned on spending some  of its fund balance down,                                                                    
but the  district was lucky it  had the money to  spend down                                                                    
because many districts did not have the option.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster believed Mr. Ratliff's  had stated that some                                                                    
of the $92 million in  COVID federal relief funds was needed                                                                    
for  unforeseen  events. He  asked  how  much was  obligated                                                                    
currently and how much was remaining for unforeseen events.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff clarified  that the COVID funding  was not being                                                                    
used  for emergencies.  The funding  was  all dedicated  for                                                                    
staffing  for  the  coming year.  The  district  anticipated                                                                    
having a little over $20 million at the end of the year.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp referenced  DEED's spreadsheet reviewed                                                                    
earlier in the meeting (copy  on file) showing $92.7 million                                                                    
in remaining COVID funds for  the Anchorage School District.                                                                    
He asked  if there was  a big difference between  the amount                                                                    
of COVID funding the Anchorage  School District had received                                                                    
compared to the  amount received by other  districts. He saw                                                                    
a  disparity  between  the  Fairbanks  school  district  and                                                                    
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ratliff replied  that the  COVID funding  had not  been                                                                    
distributed based on  the AADM, but on  the district's Title                                                                    
1   or  economically   disadvantaged  status.   He  believed                                                                    
Anchorage received  about 28 percent of  the overall funding                                                                    
based on the AADM. He  believed Anchorage had received 35 to                                                                    
40  percent  of  the  Title  1  funding.  The  district  had                                                                    
received  a larger  percentage of  the ESSER  money than  it                                                                    
would have if it had been one-time funding from the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  noted that  the  meeting  time was  almost                                                                    
over. He asked Mr. Ratliff to provide any closing comments.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ratliff  relayed  that he  would  provide  his  talking                                                                    
points  to  the  committee.  He thanked  the  committee  for                                                                    
working on  education. He stated  that if nothing  was added                                                                    
to the  BSA in the  current year, FY  25 would be  rough. He                                                                    
explained that ASD would spend  its entire fund balance down                                                                    
to  a  board minimum  and  all  of  its ESSER  funding.  The                                                                    
district  would be  left with  a structural  deficit of  $85                                                                    
million  to  $90 million,  which  equated  to 900  to  1,000                                                                    
positions. He  underscored the importance of  a BSA increase                                                                    
in  the current  session to  enable the  school district  to                                                                    
plan for FY  25. He added that the  district constructed its                                                                    
budget in  January/February but it  would not know  how much                                                                    
funding  it would  receive until  May or  June. He  stressed                                                                    
that the  district could  not plan  if it  did not  know how                                                                    
much funding it would receive ahead of time.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  thanked Mr.  Ratliff for  his presentation.                                                                    
He  indicated  the  possibility   of  adding  the  remaining                                                                    
presenters to  the Friday meeting. He  reviewed the schedule                                                                    
for the following day.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB  65  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:28:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:28 p.m.